By Boeing or not going, September 6, 2013 in PMDG 777. The most expensive aircraft on the Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA) price list is the 777-9, the larger of two versions of the new 777X family. One a couple of occasions, I have had controllers in Europe ask us to confirm our aircraft type because of the speed and even one asking if there was a problem! passengers about to miss their flight connection) or low fuel price (rare these days). The Southern Air that flies for DHL, Aerologic who does for Lufthansa and DHL, FedEx. Some airlines also authorise higher CIs to make up for delays. Descent speed is 261 but into a headwind, it gets down to 245 before adding power. Boeing or not going 571 Boeing or not going 571 Member - … I found a source that says British Airways climb on cost index 0 then cruise with cost index 90. A low cost index means that the cost of time is low or that fuel is expensive. I personally can't understand why. The higher the cost index number, the faster the aircraft flies. By logging into your account, you agree to our, Location: Somewhere between here and there. Our airline has recently emberked on a fuel saving intiative. COST INDEX TABLES.....9 3.1 A300/A310 Family 3.2 A320 Family 3.3 A330/A340 Family (a) Cost index brackets (b) A340 specific range versus Mach (c) Recalibrating the cost index (d) Transforming cost index brackets 3.4 Basic options with the cost index concept 4. the cost index he uses is 35 as it is a good compromise between low fuel flow and acceptable flight time. So you are basically flying at MRC, i guess that your crew costs and mx costs are extremely low. On average, it comes out at about M0.835 for cruise at or close to Optimum level. 737-900 747-400 757 767 777 cost index range 0-200 0-500 0-9999 0-999 or 0-9999 0-999 or 0-9999 0-9999 COMPARing RESuLTS fOR COST inDEx VALuES Of zERO AnD MAxiMuM Figure 2 Climb Cruise DesCent cost index 0 minimum Fuel* maximum range max l/D cost index … The lowest entry being "0" would burn the least amount of fuel by flying at a slower speed. Trust me. ...like I said, though, I'll let someone come in and give you more specific numbers. Aerologic? I apologise in advance about asking a potentially simple question, but I'm going to nevertheless! Prev; 1; 2; Next; Page 1 of 2 . Could it be US and European cost indicies use different units? It will result in a low speed. At list price today, the 777-200ER would cost $261.5 million and would be the lowest priced model of the 777 family. The formula may look simple enough but … -If the flight is delayed on departure and there's still a chance to get there on time, they'll raise the CI to go faster and get there on time. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Our airline has recently emberked on a fuel saving intiative. From an operating standpoint, the higher the CI the higher the speed and frequently lower cruise altitude as "optimum". I understand what you're getting at, though, so I'll let someone else attempt to answer that. Our airline has recently emberked on a fuel saving intiative. PMDG 777 ; Cost Index Archived. Different Cost indexes from ALOT of airlines. CI 50 with an option/recommendation to modify descent 82/300 if more appropriate. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. B763 = CI 34. We us CI = 85 for all operations, with approval to bump it up to 150 if running late. I know at least for 737s the CI on a majority of routes doesn't often go over 20. can you also provide, or can anyone provide cost indexes for various airlines/routes? Having talked to some 777 captains, if they fly a certain route with a fixed mach number, the CI's effect becomes less significant. The Cost Index is a management tool. 777: 314 knots (VMO/MMO minus 16 knots) or a pilot-entered speed greater than 319 knots (VMO/MMO minus 11 knots). By list of cost indexes of airlines. Posts: 153 Hi, this post is for Joe Monsoon. -If they're expecting delays at the destination, they may dial the CI back to just get there at the end of the rush. A319/320/321 = CI 15 over FL100 and 0 under FL100 B744 = CI 50 TAM Linheas Areàs JJ/TAM: A319 = CI 19.  I could be massively wrong, however. A320 = CI 26 A321 = CI 25. The cost index (CI) is a number from 0 to 999 which is found on the FMC initialization page. etc.Thanks! Cost index value change on a given sector within day dependant on the change to the time dependant cost ( fligft time ) , overflying cost and fuel price .  While many operators have a value that's a default, it's normally only used in cases where they - either intentionally or accidentally - do not provide a value on the load sheet. Founder of AVSIM Online. We fly B777-200ERs and the cost index initially started off roughly at around 120. :lol: Let me calculate: Fuel price is 0$. This donation keeps our doors open and providing you service 24 x 7 x 365. Entering zero for the cost index results in maximum range airspeed and minimum trip fuel.  I'm talking your trucks got behind schedule, you couldn't depart on time, and you call your dispatch desk to update them - chances are, they're giving you a higher CI to accommodate that ground delay. (CI is revised on monthly basis). We have started using cost index 50 which is all well and good apart from the lame 257Kt decent speed. We reset this goal every new year for the following year's goal. RE: COST INDEX The cost index depends on the lenght of the route and the airline. Privacy Statement - There really isn't a standard value for airlines in all cases. I've been pretty successful using simbrief's CIs with my route time being +/- 2 minutes from schedule. The airlines cost index database has been updated to v1.0.1. Way too many people in the NGX forums going all "That's because your CI is too high. Cost index is a made up figure, which when input into the FMC is used to calculate ECON speed. Jump to content.  I'm assuming this will be in someone's ETOPS tutorial, eventually. One of the major changes that has come from this is the change of cost index. Boeing or not going, September 6, 2013 in PMDG 777. Donate to our annual general fundraising goal. There was a period when we were planned at .85/320 (.87/330 Mmo/Vmo) down to South America to try and avoid having an extra crew member... didn't work very well through the ITCZ. At the minimum cost index (0) only fuel counts. -Certain routes will have higher CIs, while others have lower CIs (based on average revenue gained on that segment). By Boeing or not going, September 6, 2013 in PMDG 777. Edit. Domestic A320 : CLB/CRZ : 0/17, Short/medium haul flight : 35, Longhaul : 45, Delayed shorthaul : 250, Delayed longhaul : 135 Max Take Off Weight: 1,688,713 Kg 3,722,937 lbs Max Landing Weight: Max Payload: 61,600 Kg 135,803 lbs Fuel Tank Capacity: 53,440 gallon FedEx? F16_Driver. The rw value can change based on price of fuel, aircraft, stage length, crew, etc. Soooo maybe you can use that to just toss in some CI's at random for now, or just dial in a fixed mach for cruise (which does happen in the T7). 777 Cost Index. Used to estimate costs. 777 Cost Index. 14????? If you have good tailwinds, they will reduce the cost index so that you use less fuel but still arrive on sched. I fly freight so obviously some of those wont apply. AVSIM Online - Simming's Premier Resource! Here is a new updated Cost Index List, for alot of airlines! Advertising - Location: A GOOD PLACE TO FLY, DRINK, **** AND SLEEP.  I'm not talking cargo charter or anything. I have worked out we save around 100kg each decent and cost us around 2 minutes of flight time. Climb at: Cost Index 0 Cruise at Cost Index 40 Boeing 777-200 Climb at: Cost Index 0 Cruise at Cost Index 100 Cost Index 0 (Sometimes used on East Coast USA to UK Flights) British Midland 40 Cathay B744 CI:80 China Airlines 85 (Nur B747) Condor Boeing 767-300ER: 30 Boeing 757: 18 EasyJet Airbus A319 Cost Index: 12 Airbus A320 Cost Index: 12 Even calculating a cost index based on approximate time costs and flying ECON speed can yield significant cost benefits to the airline. Sorry to anyone following us who has to take vectors for spacing. Archive - The cost index shouldn't really be going below that, and probably not above it either (yet for me, the FF 777 seems quite content to cruise at .86 on a CI of 75) The problem with .86 for me is that my legs for online tours will not be accepted since most tours only have a … Cost Index. Southern Air? Recommended Posts. Many of us just type in 280 and it flies a much better profile. Cost Index. ...and if you promised someone that they would get the package based on that schedule... See where I'm going? Location: Madrid. 3. haha - some of it is valid, to a certain degree, if I understand the VNAV handling of CI correctly: Higher CIs drive higher descent speeds, which makes slowing down prior to and on the approach more difficult. Tech Log - B777 Cost index - This is a question for B777 pilots. Cookie Policy - The value of the CI reflects the relative effects of fuel cost on overall trip cost as compared to time-related direct operating costs. Yes, the number entered in the CI field is a ratio of the cost of flying time to the cost of fuel. In the end, though, you're right - it's used too often as the answer when it shouldn't be. On the 777 it translated to a change from 120 to 14. … Terms of Service - Copyright � 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. And the 777-300ER now gives operators a perfect opportunity to extend that success. Here's an interesting article of the factors that go into them: http://www.airlines.org/Pages/A4A-Quarterly-Cost-Index-U.S.-Passenger-Airlines.aspx, Tom Allensworth, 25th Jul 2003, 04:58 #4 alatriste . At the minimum cost index (0) only fuel counts. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Contact Us - Prev; 1; 2; Next; Page 1 of 2 . I would have thought that operators from certain oil-rich countries would have used CI=9999, The very best in practical technical discussion on the web, Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies), The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions, Safety, CRM, QA & Emergency Response Planning, Computer/Internet Issues & Troubleshooting. 777: 314 knots (VMO/MMO minus 16 knots) or a pilot-entered speed greater than 319 knots (VMO/MMO minus 11 knots).  Say someone paid extra to have something delivered at a particular time and you're running behind schedule. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. You also need to talk about the CI range one of these days. One of the major changes that has come from this is the change of cost index. Click here for more information and to see all donations year to date. To be used most effectively, CI should be based on a comprehensive evaluation of an operator's specific operating costs. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -. I had a quick rant about this in a couple of my videos: CIs change. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Senior Member Join Date Mar 2005 Location Bergen, Norway. Figure 3 illustrates the values for a typical 757 flight. Hi to all B777 Operators. For a given flightplan and route time it'll give it a corresponding CI. On the 777 it translated to a change from 120 to 14. PMDG 777 ; Cost Index Archived. The Boeing 777's unique combination of superior range, outstanding fuel efficiency and passenger-preferred comfort has created long-range success for carriers around the world. B77W = CI 38 A332 - CI 26 EasyJet U2/EZY/EZS: A319/A320/A320SL = CI 12 I understand what you are saying though. The source is safe and professional British Airways BA/BAW: A318 = CI 30. [color=#a9a9a9][size=1][size=4][img]http://forum.avsim.net/public/style_images/flags/rs.png[/img][/size] Lj. A32S:, FL290 and below: CI 10, above FL290: CI 20, A330-200 and A340-300:, LRC: CI 30, M.082 Cruise: CI 30 for Climb/Descend and Cruise up to FL280, above M.082 manually edited, M.083 Cruise: CI 150 for Climb/Descend and Cruise up to FL290, above above M.083 manually edited Prodanovic[/size][/color], The Janitor - An Interview with Tom Allensworth, Interview with Joshua Howard Re MS FLIGHT - March 2012, Interview with LMOC Re P3D - September 2012, The AVSIM Hack - First Published in May, 2009, The AVSIM Hack - The Full Story - Published April 2013. My time cost too much. As a fuel saving measure, they now will adjust it from approx 17 to 70 to maintain schedule flight times. This results to a cruise speed of around M.81 vs M.84. Classic editor History Comments (16) Share. BA use a cost index of 40 on all 767 flights. This page in other languages: Deutsch Lebenshaltungskosten-Index nach Land 2020 Unter dem Jahr Português Indicador de Custo de Vida por País 2020 Meio do Ano Italiano Indice del Costo della Vita per Nazione 2020 Metà Anno Français Indice du Coût de la Vie par Pays 2020 Milieu de l'année Español Índice de Coste Vida por País 2020 Mitad de año COST INDEX Cost index (CI) is a number presenting the ratio of the time-related cost of an airplane operation and the cost of fuel. off the top of my head, all the 777LRF operators are scheduled operators. A quick video example of using a cost index to move costs from one year to another year. Or do Boeings and Airbuses both use kg/min? FMCs also limit target speeds appropriately for initial buffet and limit thrust. Entering zero for the cost index results in maximum range airspeed and minimum trip fuel. If you have a real schedule you can try plugging it into simbrief. Figure 3 illustrates the values for a typical 757 flight. Anyone know for sure? Flight with duration < 4 Hours:, A319 and A320 = Cost Index 27, B737-300 and B737-500 = Cost Index 45, B747-400 = Cost Index 90, B757-200 = Cost Index 80, B767-300 = Cost Index 65, B777-200 = Cost Index 85 Flights with duration > 4 Hours:, A319 and A320 = Cost Index 22, B737-300 and B737-500 = Cost Index 30, B747-400 = Cost Index 85, B757-200 = Cost Index 75, B767-300 = Cost Index … The most "realistic" way is to use a random number generator and let it pick a number for you in the range of, say, 10-90. Flight with duration more than 4 Hours: MD-80= Cost Index 24, A319 and A32B= Cost Index 27, B737-800W= Cost Index 35, B757-200W= Cost Index 80, B767-300ER= Cost Index 65, B777-200ER= Cost Index 85, B777-300ER= Cost Index 90 Flights with duration less than 4 Hours: MD-80= Cost Index 21, A319 and A32B= Cost Index 22, B737-800W= Cost Index 30, B757-200W= Cost Index 75, B767-300ER= Cost Index … FMCs also limit target speeds appropriately for initial buffet and limit thrust.  Similar to the Premiere Members example, the operator will dial the CI up to compensate and cruise at a higher speed. I am trying to get some information from other 777 operators on what cost index you use. The question I have is about understanding the cost-index calculation. Tech Log - B777 Cost index - This is a question for B777 pilots. -If the price of gas goes up, the CIs often go down. This results to a cruise speed of around M.81 vs M.84. Version 1.3 Download 16642 File Size 1,5 MB Create Date November 3, 2017 Download Download our latest Cost-Index Database for many different … Read More[DOWNLOAD] Cost-Index Database | TOGA Projects eh...in some ways they apply even more. Climb at: Cost Index 0 Cruise at Cost Index 40 Boeing 777-200 Climb at: Cost Index 0 Cruise at Cost Index 100 Cost Index 0 (Sometimes used on East Coast USA to UK Flights) British Midland 40 Cathay B744 CI:80 China Airlines 85 (Nur B747) Condor Boeing 767-300ER: 30 Boeing 757: 18 EasyJet Airbus A319 Cost Index: 12 Airbus A320 Cost Index: 12 Some nut in our company has changed the sop to CI=0 for the climb and typically CI=100 for the cruise.  Despite what many will claim here, it's not as static as many would have you believe. Google and you might flind some lists, though do be aware that CIs will change as fuel prices go up and down, maintenance contracts are renegotiated, etc. HIGH Cost-Index gives fast cruise speed, regardless to fuel LOW Cost-Index gives slow, economy speed, to save fuel. High cost index means high cost of time (e.g. The Cost Index is for use and calculation by the "Bean Counters" to provide an overall lowest trip cost. I will be adding, what i mean are the most important airlines and most popular in FS. The plane lists for $425.8 million. Hello everybody! Domestic A320 : CLB/CRZ : 0/17, Short/medium haul flight : 35, Longhaul : 45, Delayed shorthaul : 250, Delayed longhaul : 135 You must use like 15 or 20.". I use 999 because it's not my fuel! That would set CI as high as possible. I am just interested in ballpark figures on the LR, am not familiar at all with the 777 systems so would like to know what carriers are using lately. This results to a cruise speed of around M.81 vs M.84. Posts 1,160.  I've sat next to the UPS and FedEx guys in my meetings enough to not be talking out of my [rear] here. A low cost index means that the cost of time is low or that fuel is expensive. It doesnt matter if you use Lbs or Kgs in the formula provided that you maintain the same units across the formula. The 767 cost index used to be 70 for all flights. please add if you knodsdsds To find the costindex, please search for it in the right hand corner. Join Date: Jun 2003. It will result in a low speed. There is a good reason for flyin CI 0 and a different one for flying CI 100. To be most effective, and to maximize the benefit available by using the cost index system, the value should be adjusted for each segment depending on conditions at dispatch, by those encountered enroute, or by the operational requirement for arrival within xx minutes of schedule (for whatever the operational driver is). What cost index do you guys run? Cost Index : 60 Boeing 777-200 Cost Index : 80 Virgin Atlantic Airbus A330-300 Cost Index : 32 Airbus A340-300 Cost Index : 30 Airbus A340-600 Cost Index : 40 Boeing 747-400 Cost Index : de 73 à 93 - En général CI:75 vers l'Est et CI:90 vers l'Ouest Wizzair Airbus A320/A320SL Cost Index : 15 DISP CI Mach G/S (kts) FL350 FMC CI 0 0.787 453 0 600 0.790 455 5 2500 0.800 460 80 4300 0.810 466 500 6200 0.820 472 1800 9999 0.840 483 9999 Mach .787 = … Although our flight planning software is reasonably sophisticated, the schedules/slots/stands take priority and we seem to fly at 0 when we're going to be too early and 100 when we might be on time or late. Change log : On the 777 it translated to a change from 120 to 14. For obvious reasons you cant compare cost indices between airlines but we have played with CI=450 outbound and CI=80 inbound, for the sake of the environment, we settled on CI=80 for all international sectors. If there are any numbers for FedEx, Aerologic, or other cargo operators on the 777 I would appreciate learning what they generally use. -If the flight has a ton of Premiere Members (or whatever the airline calls them), they may actually dial the CI up to get them there early. What would be a typical cost index setting for a 737-400. Here are some basic numbers that have been out there for a while (and are rather old, probably outdated): http://www.tradewind.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=488. A minimum COST trip is achieved with a CI of 0 (ECON speed is speed for MAX RANGE), wheras a minimum TIME trip is achieve with a CI of 999 (ECON SPEED is near enough MMO). I made two books for engineering students. Basically, the company decides on the cost of keeping the aircraft in the air, and includes all … 08-30-2002, 07:47 AM #2. Sure a few charters here and there but its all planned out. High cost index means high cost of time (e.g. At SWA our SOP is cost index 20 all the time. Too slow if you ask me, but engineer smart guys who made up the number didn't ask us. hello Robert, i have several routes compiled by a real world pilot for the pmdg 737ng, and the point he makes about cost index is it is very complex based on maintenance cost, operating costs, personnel costs, fuel and operative factors. You can download the database documents in pdf format from the documents library. One of the major changes that has come from this is the change of cost index. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use. Particularly on the NATs. CIs vary so much. We fly B777-200ERs and the cost index initially started off roughly at around 120. Not all airlines will be listed,at first. passengers about to miss their flight connection) or low fuel price (rare these days). Recommended Posts. All rights reserved. Am I right in thinking that: 1) a high cost index (50-99) is Minimum time / Maximum Speed (hence the higher operating costs through higher fuel burn) 2) a low cost index (0-50) is Minimum Fuel Burn / Maximum …

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