That's laughable…Every blonde haired, silicon altered mom living in the yuppy housing plan next to my farm would buy this thing tomorrow to run to town and look oh so extra adorable (right?) Well, PJ Williams, we can at least dream about one!! A pop top seats 4-5, sleeps 4. VW has to be more selective. Millions of people will randomly join in when they see others doing so, let alone your measily 200,000 target for us actual campers/explorers. As much, anyway. One of the most massive Campers Van on the market will probably be run with the 2.0-liter turbodiesel engine, that can develop 177 horsepower (130 kilowatts) and 302 pound-feet (410 Newton-yards) of … “Let’s say you’re taking your average camper van and you’re going to Italy, take a U.S. van, you wouldn’t be able to access all these little alleys, these streets that they have – you would be stuck. If memory serves, the Eurovan has always been a really expensive van too, and VW has sold plenty of them in the US. All-season. You’re right on both counts: the basic vehicle (VW Transporter) in this generation (and the previous 2) was never engineered for the US. Bet you VW regrets not coming to the US now lol. The younger generation, want something smaller and affordable. Do you know if there are any cabinet parts available from the European California Ocean Camper so I might modify my 1999 VW Eurovan camper. That support would be missing in the US. Seems to be a very huge criteria for importing one. Volkswagen equips the Grand California with the highest-tech driving features that it has to offer. My expatriate daughter lives and works in Germany. Wow this car is really kick-ass! You can do this! For comparison, here are some of the brands that sold fewer than 200,000 vehicles in the US last year: It just seems like they could re-engineer the California for the US market – i.e., increase the price, or eliminate the some of the most expensive-to-manufacture features, or some combination of both. Speaking of which, town that is, standard parking spots are 18 feet long. Having traveled all over Europe in a VW Bus I would love to have a new VW California! Problem is that the Tofino does not have the same nice cabinetry for storage that the California has. It’s hard to find an emergency hotel room when you’re competing with 20k other people. I would like to buy one over there, drive and store it for a few years and then bring it home. Why don’t we have deposit program to find out how many are there to but be campervan. Back in the early 70s, we dreamed of buying a Volvo this way. Either way I just got back fr om Czech Republic and Austria and there are a lot of these VWs on the road. Check out GTRV! away . We were so lucky!! I am very disappointed in VW! The VW California Club is run by Unique Forums Limited we are an independent enthusiast website and we are in no way related to any of the Volkswagen group of companies. Volume in Europe is now at an all time high of 12000 units. Now we're making claims this thing costs $80,000? I travel internationally for my job and every time we’re out and about a coworker will always comment derisively about how “small” and tiny the foreign cars are (Europe, Asia, Australia, etc. My Moms initials were VW. the vw eurovan sales in the us were nowhere near where they needed to be. That’s it? There’s a reason Volkswagens have one of the best warranties on the market – they’re built to last. 19 Photos. We camped all over the west in that puppy. You can take it to any campground as a van, not an RV. Our license plate said VW’s VW. As we already wrote, the newest VW California XXL Camper Van is the longer version of the popular California model. And although it is mostly perfect, I would opt for gas over diesel having lived through both the TDI situation, and three of the slow, under-powered diesel Westie’s of the past. Long story short: unless VW were able to also sell the full range of other Transporters in the US, reengineering just the California and creating a support system for it would be ridiculously expensive. I will be happy to go back to buying my VW vehicles when VW brings Volkswagen For those avid voyagers who think that the regular Volkswagen California camper van isn’t enough for their needs, there’s a new, even bigger VW pop-top called the Grand California. Thanks Kevin. At this moment, the only brand new AWD or 4×4 options in the states are the insanely inflated diesel Sprinters or the highly anticipated (sad) 2020 Ford Transit. Loved the fun we had!!!! Both of these problems are solved by the super trendy n cyclically stylish (you don't even have to be a camper to want/drive one of these) VW California. Will you send me the details of how you know that? Ever since the Dodge Omni, Chrysler has taken advantage of VW, building a similar version of the VW engine supplied to Chrysler. Two adults can fit up here, actually, with a second bed down below. The New Volkswagen Grand California Camper Van. Eurovans and other variants are in high demand, https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2000-Volkswagen-EUROVAN-FULL-CAMPER-5008346425. There are smaller van conversions with pop tops available in the US. I drive a VW GTI now. Volkswagen will premiere the Grand California at the 2018 Düsseldorf Caravan Salon later this month, where it will reveal pricing and other details. Although we endeavour to ensure that the information contained on the website is accurate, as errors may occur from time to time, customers should contact their local. Here's obvious food for thought: European and American cultures–however both systemically Aryan–are vastly different from one another, and neither understands the other. I’ve had three vans in my life– I’m 41 now. Or alternatively add a premium to the sell price to make the #s work for them in order to meet the demand in the US? Let’s put some context around that number. This is particularly annoying because VW just released details about the newest version of the California van, and it looks near-perfect. That truly clears things up. I think more baby boomers are moving towards getting some type of RV, especially since Covid-19 came onto the scene. That’s the closest you can get right now. The Volkswagen Grand California is the latest version of the VW California camper. But there are many people here that will buy a shell van and convert it on their own. It will be dropped off to be converted in October. Every nook and cranny is perfectly thought out, it was comfortable driving and camping plus handled well through the alps. I’d gladly do it and sell it to you for $80k. It’s comfortable, intelligently designed and very powerful, we were on the Autobahn’s of Germany where there is no speed limit and it easily kept up with the Porsches, BMW’s and Mercedes driving well over 110 MPH. Yes Europeans mainly get a lot of time off. For all of us actually living in the states, we are WELL AWARE of the incredibly high demand for AWD, compact, short wheel base, narrow bodied, trail-capable and overland-ready camper vans. My UL down quilt cost me $250. I have no doubt it will sell like hot cakes here. In our travels, we have only seen 1 as well. Three percent? Since its inception in 1947, the VW Type II van has become the symbol for any wandering tribe of free-spirited individuals … Where were all of you when these were built and sold? There is indeed a market for these vans! The I.D. At the International Motor Show 2017, a VW California XXL study was presented on the basis of the VW Crafter.The 6.2 m long vehicle has a standing height of 2.2 m and is equipped with underfloor heating. Point proven once again by Bulhmann's take on 2004 America in 2016 — or whenever the BLOODY interview was conducted. Oh, yeah I do: I wish Buhlmann had done his homework, like, for one day, so I could buy this perfect van. In automotive terms, that’s peanuts. So here’s the question: of the 211 million Boomers, Gen Xers and Millennials in the US, how many could fall in love with the California if VW sold it here? It’s a wasteful attitude. Plenty of diesel mechanics around that can fix these. Or how many times do you hear a family of 3 say, “We need a minivan for the room”? I would buy a VW Camper van like this. They need to bring samples to the US and tour shows with them. I am curious, whether you know this or not, if there are tarfiffs, anything needing to be done to align with EPA standards or anything else legal. One percent? – Land Rover: 92,143 vehicles You could consider this a “smart camper.” A sophisticated control system handles things like the onboard fridge, lighting systems, and the pop-up tent. This doesn’t seem insurmountable? There is a guy in Sebastapol CA who buys the innards of the Marco Polo and ships them over in a container in sets of 10. Simply click on the correct pin to get their telephone number and details. Would love to have one here in the states – my in laws have on in Germany and it is great little camper ! Gallery: 2020 Volkswagen Grand California: First Drive. DIY conversions go with high tops because the pop top will add $10k+ to the price of the van. Soooooo much cheaper. For those of us who want to downsize, this country is the worst! I just can’t understand why they won’t bring it to the USA. Introducing five-billion-star accommodation. Volkswagen says the Grand California’s interior design has been inspired by yachts, with white cabinets and flooring that apes a teak deck. That’s a good plan for getting one here – I looked into it too. However, at least offer the opportunity for people to buy over there and bring over here to the US like some of the European auto brands offer to their customers. Christian Buhlmann Just trying to see if it makes financial sense. Our Rialto’s are aging. That’s an interesting point. The past 5 years we have a bad fire season every summer in California. The folks at Jalopnik did a nice walkaround of last year’s model that’s more illustrative of what this van can do than the stock VW shots above. Or just move to Europe. Instead of assuming that there is not enough demand, why don’t they ask for pre-orders with the contingency that they’d only produce and ship if they hit their target numbers? (wife is Czech). Making payments is one of the main reasons a lot of us have to get up in the morning LOL! In the meantime, VW is promising the electric new bus, the “ID Buzz” will hit US dealers in 2022. Dealer may sell for less. I do believe they would sell, maybe not like hot cakes, but they would sell. All of which is displayed and operated through a clean-looking display above the windshield. $28,990 . We are selling vans, very well-equipped vans with four-wheel-drive, with kitchenette, with everything that you want for prices of $50,000 and up, which is not where the market here is, or where the camping market is. It’s only sold with a TDI engine which may not be smog legal and certainly isn’t going to be a commercial success in the US. Everything is more refined, from … I would buy this. They bought a rebadged Chrysler T&C, with a couple VW specific items, like MMI interface, but it was a $45k mini van. Sadly it’s gone on deaf ears so far. Ever heard of the “chicken tax?” That adds a few grand to the price as well. People who nowadays still drive a T2, T3, T4, you name ‘em – those vans that we used to have until the 2000s – most of them are enthusiasts that run these vehicles in perfect weather conditions. Surely a European car, especially from Germany, would meet US standards? Do I–the average WANKER (lol)–have $30,000, "Cash Only" for the jabroni selling his rusty clunker on eBay or advertising through a car website? MikeA. Cool looking unit, though. I think of this all the time when I see 5 people get into a VW estate wagon when I’m in Europe . Americans really want to buy these van campers. Toss that clucking ankle biter into my signature Pterodactyl Stew. I would buy a California tomorrow. The headline news, however, is a toilet. Took forever to sell them. Derived from the California XXL concept unveiled in 2017, the 2020 VW Grand California is a new motorhome that has all the equipment of a good camper. I will buy her one, have her drive it long enough to make it “used”, and then have her ship it home to us. 2019 VW California XXL Camper Van Engine. A lot of the bells and whistles in a van like the VW Cali are not necessary and a home build (if you/I can do it) is far cheaper and more specific to your personal needs. If there’s any company that’s helped to shape the world’s preoccupation with camper vans, it’s Volkswagen.From the first “Splitty” bus in the 1940s to their best-selling California van, Volkswagen is an industry leader in figuring out how to build functional, well-priced campers for families.Today, the company announced the next van to join the VW lineup: the Grand California. With the overall height of 2,900mm and length of 6,240 mm, it offers great aerodynamic efficiency. Hi Jeff, European VW van here. It’s as if they haven’t heard of #vanlife. Is this possible? the Rialto is an eyesore or should I say a quite generic styled van so, why not bring back the delicious super functional vw California van and watch it take off?? Yeah, and I’m one of them. Volkswagen presents its new motorhome, Grand California. Unfortunately, the Metris isn’t sold as a 4×4 in the states, but the Tecamp is really sweet , In 2012, we bought a Nissan NV converted by Sportsmobile, Fresno. For 7 years, people have asked about our van. I’m guessing the market is too limited, and once the people that want them buy them, that will be it for sales. In Germany, where over 50% are sold, not every VW dealership will sell or even touch them due to the complexity of the camper part (electro-hydraulic poptop raising mechanism, anyone?). They are amazing! Just not the same at a ridiculous price. Did Christian ever have a chance to receive your well-articulated commentary? [In my case, I am old enough that this wouldn’t matter because I would keep it until I die! I did catch a glimpse of one of these VW California’s last year driving past me north on the 101 here in Los Angeles. while doing it. If we ever move there a van like this is definitely in the must have category. Brand: Volkswagen Product: California Ocean T6.1 Release Date: Never, at least for us Americans Price: ~$83,729+ From: volkswagen-vans.co.uk Volkswagen is one of the few carmakers that’s managed to create icons both within and outside of the automotive world. 'Americans Like Big, Small Thing Bad'. VW Needs to produce a basic cargo version of this van, and produce it in the U.S. to keep the price down. Or, is it illegal to have one in US? I’d willingly part with my money for one of these whenever they decide to bring em stateside. Good Article and good comments. There’s always a solution to these problems. Maybe even out of a salvaged vehicle with exterior body damage. I was also told that if we somehow were able to import one, we wouldn’t be able to sell it to anyone because it would not be verified as meeting US environmental standards. Our confidence is your assurance that a new Volkswagen will be a reliable, practical and fun addition to your daily life. Now it’s garage kept unlike a RV. I can send him the money, have him buy it for me and ship it home. Ford can sell boatloads of Transit vans, for example, but they’re one of the Big Three, so they can sell a ton of anything they make. All fun. In 2003, the final year that VW imported the Eurovan to the US, less than 4,000 sold in the entire year! It's basically a full-on motor home built atop the underpinnings of … MSRP is the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price and excludes taxes, freight and PDI ($1,885 for the Atlas and Tiguan/ $1,765 for the Passat and Arteon/ $1,685 for all other models), levies, fees, optional equipment, license, insurance, registration, and any dealer or other charges, where applicable. Probably not enough to build a support structure for the vans themselves and the camper part. My van was delivered bare bones on August 16th. Why couldn’t VW sell an add on package to meet requirements like dealers used to for other environmental upgrades 40 + years ago. MattR Shall we point out the ludicrous asking price for the thousands of 30 yr old rigs with 100 lb batteries n generators with insulations and hoses crumbling to bits? I much rather leave one of these vans at a trail head then a Mercedes Sprinter van. The most up-to-date 2019 VW California XXL Camper Van is according to the Crafter bus model. I didn’t mean to imply they would sell 200,000 west of the Rockies in a single year, but that’s a fair assumption since I was making a comparison to the single-year sells disaster of <4,000. Seems like they could get it to where they only need to sell 50K or even 10K vehicles to make a profitable. I’m not sure you’re going to be able to “import” one to the states that easily. That eats gas. Over here, where everything is accessible, even for large RVs, there is just not this demand. It is very similar to the Speak for yourself—any of my 6 grandkids could afford it since they have good income and live with parents who don’t charge rent and buy all their food ; ). In 2018, Volkswagen sold 354,053 new vehicles (all VW models in total) in the US. If so, how did he respond. Wake up VW, you’re missing the camplife revolution in the states. Pfft. Volkswagen presents its new motorhome, Grand California. How many would sell in the US? But, Kevin, if you are able to import them, I would be an interested buyer. All knowledgeable VW California specialists for the UK market. Shame on u VW!!!!! Sadly that won’t be happening , CaveVan can build you a Custom Eurovan or poptop Metris here in the USA. Built for bigger adventures, the California has been an icon on the road since it first launched in 1988, the Grand California is the latest edition of freedom on wheels. Had the “demand” been there, more than 30 would have been converted. I think they know.. i think there’s some underlying conspiracy for there is no logic behind this reasoning.. Actually have people put money down and have skin in the game. European or American models may be shown. If that doesn’t work, one of my former students is now a Marine Corps Staff Sergeant stationed in Stuttgart. Output 177 Horsepower / … VW California XXL Camper Van exterior design is stronger. The 2022 VW I.D Buzz is not a camper, and I prefer the body style of the California. That represents 2% of the total 17.4 million new vehicles sold in the US, making VW the 13th largest brand (out of 35) by vehicles sold. I was really hoping that this was to test the waters to see if there really was a strong demand for the product. Thanks Robin. I woukd willingky sell my house and buy one of these as my full-time home but nooo – we can’t have anything that intelligent in America! Well, it’s hard to say exactly, but seems to be that VW doesn’t think there’s a big enough market in the US and that potential buyers would balk at the cost. They’d have to ship it back to Europe to sell it.]. The “California” name alone makes it seem as though Volkswagen is trolling us. I absolutely love it. The folks at GoWesty might at least be able to point you in the right direction. VW California, and is comparable in price. Not to mention the back log of people that are paying $50-200K to have vans outfitted just like these. unlike that cumbersome RV. =(. That’s the mindset. Admittedly, it does lack the soul of a VW. I’m going to look into buying in Europe and transporting to US – once it’s safe again to travel abroad. Happy vanning! See all 59 photos. The all-new 2022 Golf R. Introducing the Volkswagen Taos, our all-new compact SUVW, Our Dealers are supporting communities during COVID-19, VW teamed up with Dillon’s Small Batch Distillers to tackle the sanitizer shortage, Get up to 3 months payments on us. SMB converted 30 to be sold for $65k+ at Nissan “commercial” dealerships. We have a 1999 Eurovan Camper that we love.Was offered what we paid for it last year! We rented one in France and followed the Tour several years ago and have been trying to figure out how to get one in the US ever since. There is even a setting that shows the van’s angles when parked, helping the driver dial in the most level camping position without having to eyeball it or use a line level. Head of Product Line Communications Check it out below. Volkswagen plans to officially launch the new Grand California later this month at the Caravan Salon in Düsseldorf. I would be willing to do some research on this, if you don’t know. Finally, a Volkswagen with a bathroom in it. Another thing to consider is the resourcefulness of the average American camper. But, it might work if you could order one for delivery in Europe, drive/camp and ship it home. I saw one the other day in Lee Vining, California. An unforgettable summer weekend festival with friends. Derived from the California XXL concept unveiled in 2017, the 2020 VW Grand California is a new motorhome that has all the equipment of a good camper. Any comments made on this website are the views of the respective poster, and in no way represent the views of the VW California Club Administration or VAG Millenials would gobble them up. I will. While 200,000 vehicles is only 1.2% of the US car market, that’s actually a lot of cars. Kevin, it sounds like you know quite a lot about this industry so maybe you can verify if what I was told at the dealership is correct or not. These are Euro6 engines which are very clean running so I can’t see any problem with the EPA. Not at all. With superior performance and adaptability at a reduced cost, a Certified Pre-Owned Volkswagen is a driver’s best friend. A night under the stars. I loved it, it was what I was looking for since I sold my Honda Element in ’16. That rear bench seat reclines too. away . 2. ♢ Limited time loyalty rate reduction available with finance purchase or lease of a new, unregistered 2020 e-Golf, through Volkswagen Finance, on approved credit, to all eligible current Volkswagen owners and their households and previous Volkswagen owners who returned a leased vehicle, or whose finance contract with Volkswagen Finance ended, within the past 90 days (some exceptions apply). That’s our promise to you. Perhaps this should be the starting grounds for identifying the demand, not statistics from 2004 when MySpace was exploding, and people were still living in their tiny worlds (today, we all want to be Mark Twain again like in the 70s, not Eminem n Marylin Manson like in the Y2K). Now, Europeans can call a Volkswagen home because the brand is taking an even bigger step into the camper market with the launch of the nearly 20-foot-long (6-meter-long) Grand California. Far better than the method I use when leveling, the ole’ drive over a rock and eyeball it. We had 2 westfalias while i was growing up. Definitely a market for these so I’ll be looking at how to import legally and satisfy emission regulations and any other legal problems. Asking for a friend…. Another thing is VW is selling an electric van here in 2022. It will be unveiled at the Caravan Fair in Germany and launched in early 2019. Buhlmann says that VW would need to sell 200,000 California vans for the product to be economically viable. Look up $50,000, no camper's market? But my estate might be stuck with a problem. The 2020 Volkswagen T6.1 California isn't coming to the U.S., but that doesn't mean we're okay with missing out on this pop-top camper. By American standards, I'm poor. VW is shooting themselves in the foot thinking people won’t invest in this kind of vehicle. I will be buying one of these for myself and getting it shipped here. Volkswagen RVs For Sale in California: 4 RVs Near You - Find Volkswagen RVs on RV Trader. Get up to date information straight to your inbox.   Â, Volksgiving is our yearly tradition when we celebrate some of our extraordinary, Exclusively for VW Owners Until January 4, get up to a 2% rate reduction when you lease or finance a 2020 e-Golf◇, get up to $1,500 cash purchase bonus when you buy an e-Golf*, or receive up to a 0.5% rate reduction on other models.◇. Particularly with the pandemic, these would sell very well. I was stationed in Europe and had the military ship my European-made car home. Same for V6 and V8.) Mercedes start at $160k – that’s price is a deal breaker for most people. If old US beaters can be licensed and driven, why couldn’t this van? Environmental or related levies and taxes may vary by jurisdiction. . Saw so many of these vans on the road. So far to my knowledge, only 1 used NV SMB has come on the market. Not a fan of that collaboration, at all. The Volkswagen Grand California is finally here in production form.

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